a friend of mine, kevin brady, is a member from texas that sits on a committee. the tax code of the united states is four times the size of a bible with none of the good news. pretty good summary. >> it is. in your opinion, if a presidential candidate made that a major point, would it carry any weight? >> yeah, i think it would. i think nobody ever thinks the tax system is fair. that is always an issue that resonates with america. let's be real -- taxes are one of the reasons we do put -- we declared our independence in the first place. we did not like the way was done, we thought we should have a direct say, which we did not. . think it is a major effort i think you are going to see it more, particularly if commerce cannot act in the next couple of years and this divided situation. i suspect whoever is running for president will make it a major issue. the last time we had really important tax stuff, ronald reagan was president. he ran on what was back then camp ross, which was lowering the rates, and then he carried another part of it out in the tax reform act o